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Tamagoch wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 6:44 am We're going to see 'jumpstarters' after a first stat update

Hi

Actually, that ISN'T going to happen as Sebastien has a cunning plan(**) to ensure that only BOINC tasks downloaded AFTER the start of the Sprint will be credited on the FB League tables.

(**) that he is currently testing and which hopefully will limit any bunkering effects

regards
Tim

UBT - Timbo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:35 pm Actually, that ISN'T going to happen as Sebastien has a cunning plan(**) to ensure that only BOINC tasks downloaded AFTER the start of the Sprint will be credited on the FB League tables.

(**) that he is currently testing and which hopefully will limit any bunkering effects

regards
Tim

Interesting to see how / if that could even work, as a user's task details are normally not exported as part of stats - and can be hidden by a user not exposing their computer details?

[BAT] Svennemans wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 6:24 pm Interesting to see how / if that could even work, as a user's task details are normally not exported as part of stats - and can be hidden by a user not exposing their computer details?

Hi

From what Sebastien has suggested, it might take a bit of clever coding, but it should work - I await to see the results of his test to see if he has been successful

regards
Tim

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regards
Tim
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The truth shall set you free

Orange Kid wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 9:45 pm The truth shall set you free

And I have set you free to go and plague some other forum

So, goodbye and have a good life.

In case anyone is interested, the "Orange Kid" membership to this forum has been deactivated - I will not stand for this forum being used to destabilise or upset any existing members - this is stated quite clearly in the Forum Rules and there is ZERO tolerance for ANYONE who breaks those rules, which I will re-publish here:

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One of the SiDock admins made a post about it "SiDock@home is not F1..."

dj.walnut wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 1:10 am One of the SiDock admins made a post about it "SiDock@home is not F1..."

Based on this, and I think the data speaks for itself, I guess the question comes up on how stuff like this is handled moving forward. I've been a proponent of our team rejoining Formula BOINC in the past, but I think that there needs to be some ground rules or at least a discussion as far as what is expected from competitors in terms of ethics and rules and what happens if an issue like this is discovered. Formula BOINC is of course not in a position to necessarily police how people are crunching projects(that is up to the projects themselves really), but if I would ever have any chance of convincing the team I'm on to rejoin Formula BOINC it would be helpful to have some assurances that it will be made right if a team(ANY team) is blatantly gaming the system. It's pretty clear what the results of this last sprint were if you look at the stats on Free-DC, and it certainly is not the outcome that is shown in Formula BOINC. Note - I'm not calling out any teams or specific people or making any accusations, this is a general comment and it ultimately affects multiple teams, so hopefully you don't feel the need to ban hammer me out of here Timbo

Hi dj and Icecold

Thanks for your postings.

I think the question is "what have TSBT (and HardOCP apparently) done" to upset the SIDock admins?

And how can the SiDock project admin substantiate what might have happened and why have they deducted BOINC credits from these teams?

That is beyond the realm of FB, as all I can do is to suggest a specific project to crunch for (during a Sprint) and hope that this is done fairly and with good intent.

The problem is that I can never know HOW anyone would be able to cheat any BOINC project, into falsifying the BOINC credits they have earned. And if there is a way for this to happen then someone who is in charge of running the project must lock down the project to ensure only accredited uploads are accepted and correctly validated. And that is nothing to do with FB.

As for making things right?
If a project admin could spare the time, to give their reasons as to why specific credits have been deleted, then there is the possibility that Sebastien can edit the Sprint results accordingly. But I would need to check with him, if this is possible.

However: This then opens up the possibility that anyone could dispute how any member (or team) earned their credits during a Sprint or at any other time - and I'm sure that project admins have got better things to do than to be checking thousands of validated work units to see what was going on - but then if their back-office systems were up to scratch and could detect "falsely credited uploads" then this problem would go away?

And no need for ban hammers when members offer constructive, level headed topics for discussion

regards and thanks
Tim